Evil Merlin Says:
May 13, 2013 - This simply is not true.
May 13, 2013 - Um, no, there is zero evidence of this. Any extant samples of maille all show either welded or riveted links. Butted maille seems to have only been used for quick, temporary field repairs or for decorative purposes.
May 3, 2013 - Sorry But Dint early mail was just rings close together whit force and could easily be trusted through...
Iono sama Says:
May 1, 2013 - The end result is the same in the end, because whatever material they got for bodkin, their armor could have them as well.
Given same materials for both the arrow and armor, penetrating with bodkin vs plate armor would pretty much require a good amount of luck and skill ie: direct hit at excellent entry angle, because otherwise deflection or bend or with hardened steel, shattering or break, is essentially guaranteed against plate armor struck.
May 1, 2013 - none of which were made of materials capable of piercing the armor.
May 1, 2013 - historical accounts stated at a close range they pierced plate armor, and the royal armories only tested 2 types of bodkin points.
Jan 25, 2013 - well, if you flatten out the entire link, it makes it wider, soit would be more likely to stop piecing weapons like arrows, more so than plain round ring maille. however, its a trade off. with flat rings the rings are now thinner, making it easier for heavier weapons (i.e. swords and other weapons) to get through, thicker rings would be better against that.
Jan 24, 2013 - Is there one that was preferred or superior to the other?
Jan 24, 2013 - yes. many sets of riveted maille are often completely flattened for ease of assembly. Ring mail was not riveted so it was completely round. it would take a truly talented smith to only flatten one portion of each link to insert the rivet and keep the rest as it was. also it would have been left up to the devices of each smith in general as to whether they wanted to make flat links or round ones
Jan 6, 2013 - Is flat ringed mail authentic?
Jan 5, 2013 - Strangely, the royal armories research to them indicates no supporting point for bodkin purpose as an armor penetrating point against plate so the idea of bodkin good against plate is probably inaccurate and this seems sensible in the hindsight when you consider that given the shape of bodkin it would need to be made of hardened steel and strike at good angle to be effective against plate armor or it would be deflected or worse bend or break.
The bodkin points found were not made of such.
Sep 2, 2012 - Wrong, I read it all.
Aug 8, 2012 - Still was effective against plate. only the finest french plates could protect you against it.
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Jun 17, 2012 - On the contrary a bodkin arrow would create quite a clean wound. minimal injury would be sustained by the target, obviously it might still put him out of the fight, but unless it hit the head or the heart, the wound is most likely not lethal. Broad head arrows on the other hand are more likely to causes a deadly injury due to the wider head. Also because the head of the arrow is wider than the shaft, removal is more difficult and more dangerous than a Bodkin as the head can snag upon removal.
May 29, 2012 - Long/Needle bodkins, yes, but short/heavy bodkins were for plate armour, hence the nickname 'plater cutter' bodkin
Apr 12, 2012 - actually bodkins were not designed to penetrate any armor at all this is a common misconception. bodkins were designed to deeply penetrate the body to create deep leathal wounds
Apr 8, 2012 - i dont know why people are inclined to write essays on youtube, no one will bother reading all that shit
Mar 31, 2012 - In the longbow episode a bodkin pierced plate at about 20 yards in a test, Granted it wasn't top-quality plate.
Mar 4, 2012 - I am talking full plate armour however most knights on the battle field did not wear full plate armour unless they where mounted troops only. For mounted troops the weight of full plate was insane however for foot knights the armour was a lot lighter due to legs and arms being often just protected by leather and strategic plates. The 80 pounds suit was the toledo made full plate using the first steel over the previous iron
Mar 3, 2012 - The Lightest and most advanced version of full plate armour was the spanish plate which weighed in at 80 pounds under half the weight of any other full plate armour at the time and where did I get this information?? Leeds Royal Armories Master Armourer and history it is also documented historically that the 80 pound spanish armour was under half the weight of any other full plate armour at the time and 200 pounds in armour that would make a night less than 10 stone
Feb 28, 2012 - Mike Loads has the best job in the world.
Feb 17, 2012 - Actually CFT the early weaker plate the knight wore leather then chain then plate weighing aprox 200 pounds in total thus a knight would only battle for aprox 30 minutes
Feb 17, 2012 - Agreed, the heavy crossbow loaded by a windlass was a fearsome weapon to behold. An artillery piece designed for anti-personnel use, primarily heavily armoured leaders. It's also said to have been used for hunting large game as well, since it gave a very quick kill, making the meat tender.
Feb 17, 2012 - against the irons and steels used in full plate armour as a flat plate the longbow with bodkin arrow could indeed penetreate the plate however the armours plates are contoured to give the arrow no flatness to penetrate the velocity of the arrow was not sufficient to get a solid bite on the contours so they ricocheted away this is why the longbodkins can penetrate thicker metal shields but not the plate armour itself
Historian Mike Loades shows the history behind the weapons that helped to forge Britain, as well as demonstrating their use. More
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